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我会再确认时间地点 I'll reconfirm the time, and the location.
我再打给你 Wait for my call.
对 系蓝色领带 Yes, wear the blue tie.
＂奥斯陆 挪威外交部＂
＂１９９２年１２月＂
＂耶路撒冷＂
听到了吗 Hello?
他中午会到 He'll be there at noon.
太好了 亲爱的 Excellent, darling.
听好了 这是非官方会晤 Listen to me. This meeting is completely unofficial.
放心 我知道 Understood. Absolutely.
绝对不可以提及挪威外交部 You cannot even mention my ministry.
亲爱的 相信我 Darling... Darling... Trust me.
我方与巴勒斯坦 两年来进行多边谈判 Two years of multi-national negotiations between us and the Palestinians have achieved
毫无进展 absolutely nothing.
＂以色列外交副长＂ 原因出在我国政府 Why? Because our government
拒绝直接与巴解对谈 refuses to negotiate directly with the PLO.
不让他们上会议桌 They are not allowed at the table.
但每天巴解财政部长阿赫麦库赖 But every day, Ahmed Qurie, the PLO's finance minister,
都从伦敦会议室对面的饭店里 in London,sitting in a hotel room across the street from the negotiation
指示巴方代表团如何发言 telling the Palestinian delegation exactly what to say.
再这样下去后果不堪设想 We are racing toward a precipice.
欧洲人说我们跟纳粹没两样 In Europe, they are calling us Nazis.
连欧洲都这样 In Europe.
越来越多世人与我们反目成仇 Every day, more and more of the world turns against us,
我们却只懂得谈判 but all we do is sit at that fucking negotiation table.
因为双方的谈判方式僵化 Because you're trapped in a process
无法建立互信 incapable of building trust.
但只要借助我的专长 But...with my assistance, my expertise,
你们可以扭转局势 you could change that.
请问韩森先生 代表挪威的哪个部会 Tell me exactly what part of the Norwegian government are you with,
敝姓拉森 Mr. Huntsen? -Larsen.
叫我塔瑞就好 Call me Terje.
我只是一般公民 No, I'm a, a private citizen.
是法弗智库的负责人 I run the Fafo Institute. A think tank.
我为何该接受你协助 -Why would I accept your help?
因为你们需要帮助 -Because you need it.
唯有我的谈判方式帮得上你们 Because my negotiating model, and mine alone, is going to help you.
贵国与巴解 You and the Palestinians are using
使用过时的总体主义谈判模式 the antiquated negotiating model of totalism.
把所有议题一股脑丢上会议桌 All issues of disagreement
多边集体交火 on the table. All sides at the table.
根本行不通 过程拘泥僵化 It's disastrous. The process is formal, it's rigid,
结果当然一败涂地 and the results are absolute failure.
我们在按美国的要求做 But this is what the Americans want us to do.
照做的同时 And so you must do it, but at the same time,
不妨开启第二个沟通管道 start a second process.
别只顾由双方政府放大话 Built, not on grand pronouncements between governments,
人与人之间要诚心对谈 but intimate discussions between people
选个完全隐密的地方 held somewhere isolated. Totally.
贵国与巴解关起门来 Where you and the PLO can meet. Alone.
好好谈一谈 And talk.
我负责导正谈判模式 This process I could oversee.
安排的地点保证绝对隐密 The place, I'd arrange. Absolute discretion, guaranteed.
以色列官员依法不准与巴解对谈 It is illegal for any Israeli official to speak to the PLO.
我知道 -Yes.
但非官方人选就行了 -But someone unofficial...
您和裴瑞斯部长可以亲自挑选 -Who you and Peres could choose.
再由您引介给‥ -That you could introduce to.
没错 我正有此意 -Exactly what I was thinking. -Yes.
喝点茶吗 -Tea? -Yes.
你派驻中东多久 And how long were you stationed in the Middle East?
两年 Two years.
最近才刚调回国内吗 And from this, you have just returned.
对 Yes.
谢谢 Thank you.
库赖部长 幸会 It is a pleasure to meet you, Mr. Qurie.
幸好我俩同时因公来伦敦 I'm pleased our work brings us to London at the same time.
你来洽公 Ah, well, you are here for work.
我却跑来干蠢事 But alas, I am here for foolishness.
对面饭店里的人 In that hotel,
正在商谈巴勒斯坦的未来 they are negotiating for the future of Palestine.
而我身为巴解财政部长 Yet I, who am the finance minister of the PLO,
居然不得其门而入 I am banned, barred,
而这张谈判桌缺了我 blocked from the very table
却能决定我国未来民生走向 where the economic future of my people is to be determined.
库赖部长 您无需对我说明 Mr. Qurie, you don't need to give me the speech.
当然了 因为你站在我们这边 Of course. You are on our side.
我也站在对方那边 And on theirs.
我何其有幸得智者建言
抱歉 我不懂阿拉伯语 Forgive me, but I don't speak Arabic.
但你自认了解我方政治与人民 And yet you profess to understand my region and my people,
显然你懂的并不多 when in fact, clearly, there is very little that you understand.
也许是吧 That may be true.
但我知道贵组织领导人阿拉法特 But I do understand that your Chairman Arafat's
在波湾战争中支持海珊政权 backing of Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War
昔日阿拉伯盟友因此反目 so angered your now former Arab allies
驱逐九万名巴勒斯坦劳工 that they expelled 90,000 Palestinian guest workers,
导致巴勒斯坦人经济窘迫 thereby creating such a financial catastrophe for your people,
巴解流亡到突尼斯 有家归不得 that the PLO is now stuck in exile in Tunis,
连电费都缴不起 unable to pay even the electricity bills.
我也知道我国政府若不出手相救 I also understand that without additional support from my government,
贵组织在国际间将愈趋无足轻重 your organization will slide one step closer to irrelevancy.
库赖部长 您可一吐需求 Mr. Qurie, tell me how much you need,
我尽力帮忙 and I will do what I can.
但我需要您做一件事 But I want you to do one thing.
不为我 而为贵组织着想 Not for me. For you.
有个人今天奉派到伦敦拜访您 There's a man being sent here to London to meet you today.
您若能接见就太好了 If you are willing to see him.
这边请 -This way. Yep. Mm-hmm.
他知道我不是 政府代表吧 -I'm not here as my government. -He knows this, right?
＂海法大学教授＂ 他当然知道 -Yes, he knows. He knows. He knows.
以色列人依法 不得会见巴解成员 It is against the law, Mr. Larsen, To meet with the PLO.
您先请‥谢谢 I know. Shh, shh, shh. After you. After you. Hello. Thank you.
－好‥他知道 没问题 －但是我‥ Yes, he knows. Come on. -Absolutely. Absolutely. -But, I, I, I--
等一下 Wait, wait, wait...
怎么了 What's wrong?
我从来没跟以色列人见过面 I have never met an Israeli face-to-face.
想好要说什么了吧 Now, you know what you're going to say?
－对 那当然 －很好 -Ah, yes, yes. Yes, of course. -Okay.
准备 Yeah, yeah. Right. Okay.
怎么样 上场了 Right. Here we go.
你好 Hello.
伦敦现在很冷 London is very cold this time of year.
对 Yes.
而且潮湿 And wet.
对 Yes.
不像老家 Not like home.
我自１９６７年就没回过老家 I have not been home since 1967,
当时村子里不分男女老少 when every man, woman, and child in my village
皆被迫离家 was forced to flee our homeland,
躲避大举迁来的犹太复国主义者 before the advancing hordes of Zionism.
但我还记得这个时节的温暖气候 But I remember well the warmth there this time of year.
我拜读了您的最新论文 I read your latest paper.
写得好极了 I thought it was excellent.
谢谢你 Thank you.
实不相瞒 我也写了篇论文 As a matter of fact, I...I've written a paper of my own,
点出经济合作的效益 demonstrating the benefits of such economic cooperation.
希望您能过目 Perhaps if you could read it.
给些专业意见 Give me your professional feedback.
荣幸之至 I would be honored.
两位 时间到了 Gentlemen, it's time.
感谢您不吝赐教 You have been most generous with your thoughts.
我们应该再见面 We should meet again.
讨论双方的经济与愿景 To discuss economics. The future.
据说会面地点若在奥斯陆 I'm told if we were to meet in Oslo,
双方的共同友人会‥ Friends would prove-- appro--
抱歉‥ Sorry... Sorry.
据说会面地点若在奥斯陆 I am told if we were to meet in Oslo,
我们双方的共同友人能够提供 friends would provide us
安全隐密的场所 solitude and privacy,
符合我们的一切需求 and anything else we would require.
你到底是何方神圣 Who are you?
我就是个经济学教授 I'm just a professor of economics
支持以巴对话而已 who supports dialogue with the PLO.
你代表哪位官员发言 On whose authority do you speak?
我不是官方代表 I have no authority!
但我明天在特拉维夫吃早餐时 But I am having breakfast tomorrow in Tel Aviv
身边会有好友尤西贝林 with my dear good friend Yossi Beilin.
我真想向新任外交副长 I am so looking forward to telling our new deputy foreign minister
聊聊这趟伦敦行 about my trip to London.
＂挪威外交副长＂ 天啊‥绝对行不通 My God. I mean, my God, that's impossible.
扬恩 柏林墙都倒了 Jan, the Berlin Wall has just fallen,
苏联也已解体 没有不可能的事 the Soviet empire has disbanded. Anything is possible.
假如会谈地点在挪威 If we set up a meeting here in Norway,
巴解代表会是阿赫麦库赖 Ahmed Qurie will come as the voice of the PLO.
莫娜 只有阿拉法特能代表巴解 There is no voice of the PLO but Arafat's, Mona.
阿赫麦库赖算哪根葱 Who is this Ahmed Qurie?
你怎么确定他告知阿拉法特了 How can you be sure this man has even told Arafat what he's doing?
阿拉法特完全知情也赞同 Because Arafat is fully informed and behind this.
－是吗 －千真万确 -Really? -Yes. Absolutely.
若由我们主办 以方也同意出席 And if we host it, the Israelis are on board, as well.
不对 莫娜 No. Mona,
就算尤西贝林同意 Yossi Beilin is on board,
－但他的官阶还不够大 －扬恩‥ who does not have the authority Jan, Jan. Jan, Jan.
尤西当着我的面说 Yossi told me to my face. Directly.
裴瑞斯完全授权给他 This comes from Shimon Peres. No question.
莫娜 你我皆任职外交部 Mona, you are I are members of the foreign service.
－不能破坏政府的中立立场 －政府不必涉入 We cannot jeopardize the Norwegian government's neutrality in this conflict--We're not talking about involving the Norwegian government.
－纯属私人会晤 －你难道看不出行不通吗 -This is just us. It's just us. -Do you not see the impossibility in what you are proposing here?
你位属初阶 塔瑞只是社会学者 You're a junior minister, and Terje's just a sociologist.
这样就够了 Then that must be enough.
我们对外宣称塔瑞的机构 Listen, we will say that Terje's institute is hosting
邀请以巴学者来挪威参加研讨会 a conference here in Norway for Israeli and Palestinian academics.
塔瑞向朋友借用了庄园豪宅 Terje will ask a friend to loan us his manor house.
我帮他们用别名订普通机票 I will book them all on regular flights under different names.
只开租用车 不走外交通道 Rental cars only, and no diplomatic channels.
但核发签证就得靠你了 But for this to work, we need you to sign off on their visas.
扬恩 听我说 Jan. Jan, listen.
政府不必知情 No one else in the government needs to know.
霍斯特部长跟外交部不会受波及 This way, Holst and the ministry is protected.
你若不同意 就当我们没谈过 If you say no, this conversation never happened.
－塔瑞 对吧 －没错 -Isn't that right, Terje? -Of course.
那就放手干 Let's fucking do it.
行吗 -Yes?
台面上由法弗智库出面 -But officially, this is Fafo's scheme.
出事就算在你头上 -If this goes to shit, it's all on you.
知道了‥ -Absolutely. Absolutely.
别让美方知道 -And don't tell the Americans.
－你在胡扯什么 －不然要怎么说 -What are you talking about? What are we going to tell them?
跟你报备一下 啥事都没发生 "Hello. Nothing has happened, and we, we just wanted you to know."
美国会怎么看待 我方干涉中东事务 Do you know what their government will do to ours if we're caught meddling in the Middle East?
美国一介入还有办法保密吗 Mona, how are we going to keep things hidden if the Americans are involved?
外交事务不是你的长才 Okay, this is a diplomatic issue, darling, which is none of your concern.
塔瑞说的对 -I agree with Terje.
既然要冒险 就放手一搏 If we are going to take a risk, let's take a risk.
太好了 Okay.
放手一搏吧 So...Here we go.
塔瑞 万一出事失败了 Terje, if this fails...
亲爱的 我们依计划行事 -If this goes wrong-- -Darling, we have a plan now,
行不通的话就临场应变 and if it goes wrong, then we'll improvise.
我们可是赌上了人生 Our lives will be ruined.
你懂吗 Do you understand?
我懂 Yes, I do.
但我们有大好机会 But we have a chance now.
大局很有可能扭转 A real chance to make a difference.
不管双方发生什么事 Whatever happens between them,
我们都不可以介入 we will not interfere.
－要是有人觉得我们偏袒 －亲爱的 我不会这样 If we are seen by anyone as favoring one side over the oth-- -Darling, I would never do such a thing.
我要你说出来 Then say it.
我方负责起头 仅此而已 We will facilitate, and facilitate only.
快说 Say it.
我方负责起头 We will facilitate.
仅此而已 Only.
我方负责起头 仅此而已 We will facilitate, and facilitate...only.
谢谢你 Thank you.
＂１９９３年１月＂
那些检查护照的狗官员 Your bastards of immigration with their,
叫我闭嘴 乖乖排队 "Stand in that line and shut your mouth, and do as you are told."
当我是卖内衣的啊 Like I am some underwear merchant!
真对不起‥没事 Uh, sorry. I'm sorry. Everything's fine. It's all right.
没关系 一点小误会而已 It's all right. Everything's fine. It's just a little--little mix-up.
对不起 事情出了错 I'm so sorry. That wasn't, um, wasn't part of the, the plan.
你们直接应该通关 不受盘问 You should have been sent straight through, no, no questions asked.
你好 我来拿行李吧 Hello. Let me, let me, let me, let me take your bag.
还行吧 All right?
旅程顺利吗 Good trip?
好了 Okay.
没有接送车队吗 There is no motorcade?
没有 就我一个人 No. Just me.
拉森先生 Mr. Larsen,
我们搭经济舱飞了那么远 we have flown across the world in the seating of the coach.
我懂 但这样最理想 I know, gentlemen, but this is the best way.
相信我 Trust me.
来 All right.
抱歉 Ooh! Sorry.
好了 出发吧 Right. Let's go.
＂伯瑞格庄园＂
＂挪威 萨普斯堡＂
巴勒斯坦解放组织的代表 From the Palestinian Liberation Organization,
是阿赫麦库赖 Mr. Ahmed Qurie,
＂巴解联络官＂ 以及哈珊艾斯佛 and his associate, Mr. Hassan Asfour.
至于海法大学一方 And from the University of Haifa,
则有亚尔赫希菲德教授 Professor Yair Hirschfeld,
和朗恩彭达克教授 and his associate, Professor Ron Pundak.
你好 Hello.
你也好 And, hello.
这栋庄严的会馆颇有历史渊源 This regal and historic guest house
八百年前 在这块建地上 is built on the very site where 800 years ago,
圣奥拉夫一砖一瓦亲手打造宫殿 St. Olaf himself erected his castle, stone by stone,
一边争取挪威建国 as he strove to make Norway a nation.
奥拉夫王后来遇害 And your Olaf was killed,
城堡也遭土石流摧毁 and his castle destroyed in a landslide.
没错 谢谢你 Yes, thank you.
感谢赐教 Thank you.
不知道你们觉得如何 Much appreciated.
天啊 我觉得这里很冷 I don't know about the rest of you, but...my God, I find it cold here.
再冷也比不过犹太复国主义军队 Not as cold as the hearts of your jack-booted Zionist soldiers
无情屠杀加萨地区的子女 as they break the bones of the sons and daughters of Gaza.
再次感谢您赐教 Again, thank you. Much appreciated.
各位莅临此地 Gentlemen, you are here because you know
必然深知双方不能继续征战 that you and your people cannot go on as you have.
个人情感必须摆一边 That whatever you personally feel,
找出下一步才是正途 you want to find the way forward.
说几句话吧 阿布阿拉 So, tell me, Abu Ala--
我的名字是阿赫麦库赖 Ahmed Qurie. I am Ahmed Qurie!
－但朋友都叫你阿布阿拉 －你听好了 -But your friends call you Abu Ala, yes? -Listen--
在这里 大家都是朋友 While here, here, we are all friends.
只要人在这里 And while we are here together,
这个规则就不容打破 that must be our one unbreakable rule.
请各位跟我来 Now please, follow me.
房门关起来后 In that room, when the door is closed,
四位就直接开始谈 you four will talk,
一言不合或更糟的都可能发生 you'll disagree, worse.
但出了房门后要一起用餐 But out here, we'll share our meals.
聊聊家人 建立交情 We'll talk of our families. We'll light the fire.
因为唯有分享私事 Because it's only in the sharing of the personal
才能真正认识彼此 that we can see each other for who we truly are.
我‥我们接受这个条件 I, uh... we...accept your rule, and, uh,
也愿意试试看 we are willing to try.
我们回去吧
去留由我决定
中间人不公正 我不相信他
－冷静一点 －我们需要‥
既来之则安之 请冷静
也许结果不错 好吗
双方人民之间有一道鸿沟 Between our peoples lies a vast ocean.
此前企图跨越鸿沟的人 Those who have tried to cross before us
不是折返 就是灭顶了 have turned back, or drowned.
我们要率先踏上对岸 Let us be the first to step upon the other's shore.
很好 Good.
预祝一切顺利 Good luck.
全靠我们谈吗 You mean... it is to be just us?
我会在房外尽力帮忙 Out here, I will do all that you ask,
但进了门 我便爱莫能助 but in there, I cannot help you.
你们得一起搞定 Only you, together, can do this.
你觉得如何 So what do you think?
哈珊艾斯佛 若没趁大家睡着时杀了我们 I think if Hassan Asfour doesn't kill us in our sleep,
就算奇迹了 it will be a miracle.
好 谢谢
不行 他们得面对面坐着 No, no, no, no. They must be facing each other.
我要的东西备齐了吗 Good. Did you get what I asked for?
招牌威士忌 有 The Johnny Walker Black. Ja.
准备了几瓶 -How many bottles?
四瓶 -Four.
可能要四箱才够 We'll need four cases.
塔瑞 别这样 -Terje, no!
晚餐呢 -What about dinner?
前菜是鲱鱼
鲱鱼 很好 Herring. Good.
－再来是小面点 －太棒了 Excellent.
还有鼠尾草烤猪肉 And roasted pork stuffed with sage--
不行‥绝对不行 -Oh, no! No, no, no. No. Out of the question.
－我已经备好菜了 －主餐吃鱼吧 -I've already prepared the dish-- -Serve some fish.
鲑鱼怎么样 Fish, yes? Salmon. Salmon, yes? -Good. Just do it.
－拉森先生 －照做就是了 好吗 -Mr. Larsen--Yes?
－好吧 －很好 谢谢你 - Okay. - Thank you. Thank you.
我得致电突尼斯 联络领导人 I must speak with the chairman in Tunis.
这边请 Follow me, sir. If you would.
他们开口要加萨 They say they will take Gaza.
要以军全面撤出加萨 They propose Israel withdraw all forces from Gaza.
该区交还巴勒斯坦人自治 That the territory will be turned over to the Palestinians, who will govern it themselves.
天啊 只要从加萨撤军 My God. To be able to pull out of Gaza,
巴勒斯坦反抗运动就能终结 that would end the Intifada!
但对方还有其他想法 They, they, they want to go even further!
带来共同声明的大纲 They've brought an outline for a declaration of principles
逐一列出彼此的分歧 that spells out precisely the issues between us
双方都想谈的问题 that both sides agree to address.
我该怎么做才好 What should I do?
－很简单 你就‥ －塔瑞 Well, it's, it's easy, Yair. You just, you-- -Terje.
我不方便说什么 That's not for me to say.
亚尔 你不必靠人指引 Yair, trust that you need no road map.
出路自然会浮现 The way will show itself.
那句话蠢死了 That is completely fucking stupid.
阿布阿拉 你的杯子空了 Abu Ala. His glass is empty.
谢谢你 托莉 Thank you, Toril.
酒还不错吧 It's good wine, yes?
晚餐很好吃 谢谢 Dinner is excellent.
没错 谢谢 Yes, it is. Thank you.
哈珊 你几乎都没吃 But Hassan, you've barely touched your food.
哈珊是加萨人 Hassan is from Gaza,
当地人都是渔民 where they are all fishermen,
却看到鱼就想吐 but hate the sight of fish.
外长问你的去向时该怎么回答 What am I supposed to tell our foreign minister when he asks where you are?
跟他说我有家事 Tell him it's a family issue.
扬恩 会谈进展比预期还快 Jan, things are moving faster than we expected.
我得留下来 I have to stay.
够了‥拉森 No more, Larsen. No more!
我一口也喝不下了 I couldn't possibly have another sip.
我也是 一滴也喝不下了 Yes, Terje. No more for me, too. Not even one drop.
轮到谁了 Okay, who's next?
阿布阿拉 说说你的父亲 Abu Ala, what about your father?
轮到你了 说吧 Yes, it's your turn. Tell us.
他生于耶路撒冷旁的村庄 He was born in a village just outside Jerusalem.
我小时候会跟他进老城 As a child, he would take me to the Old City,
一砖一瓦都有故事 where the very stones speak to you.
我们沿着蜿蜒巷道步行 Through the winding streets we would go,
然后柳暗花明 老城就在眼前 until we would emerge and stand before it.
父亲会说 看啊 Then he would say,
阿赫麦 那就是阿克萨清真寺 "There. There, Ahmed. That is the al-Aqsa mosque.
耶路撒冷的心脏 "The beating heart of Jerusalem.
无论身在何处 "Wherever you go, boy,
都要把清真寺和这座城 "you must always hold it, and this city,
放在心上 "here.
因为你的家永远在这里 For it will always be your home."
最后轮到‥ And finally...
哈珊 Hassan.
中产阶级家庭的鸡毛蒜皮小事 The, uh, petty bourgeois construct of family
我没兴趣 does not interest me.
对抗西方资本主义强权 The struggle against the Western capitalist behemoth...
对我来说才算父亲 That is my father.
我受够他尽讲些尖酸刻薄的话了 That's it. No more sourpuss from him.
我来说个笑话 Right. I have a joke.
－朗恩 －放心 保证好笑 -Ron. -No, it's good. It's good.
国际刑警组织 美国情报局 Interpol, the CIA,
和以色列情报局在追捕兔子 and the Mossad, are chasing a rabbit.
一路追到林边 They go to the edge of the forest.
国际刑警组织搜遍森林 Interpol searches the forest,
找不到兔子 but they can find no rabbit.
美国情报局烧了森林 The CIA burns down the forest,
也找不到兔子 but still, no rabbit.
以色列情报局要了卅分钟 Then Mossad says, "Give us 30 minutes."
走进树林半小时后 They go in. Half-hour later,
抓了一只大灰熊出来 they come out with a grizzly bear in a headlock,
熊的脖子上了枷锁 鼻青脸肿 with a broken nose and a black eye,
大灰熊喊著 and the bear is yelling--
好啦 我是兔子‥ -"Okay, I'm a rabbit! I'm a rabbit!" -"I'm a rabbit!"
酸葡萄兄也觉得好笑 Oh, Mr. Lenin likes the joke!
我也来说个笑话 I want to tell a joke.
有个人结婚了四十年 A man is married 40 years.
后来妻子过世了 Then, his wife, she dies.
在丧礼及吊唁结束后 After the funeral, after all are gone,
他独自坐在家里 he sits alone in his house.
四周尽是孤独的阴影 The shadow of loneliness falls upon him.
他独自泣诉 In his solitude, he cries out,
＂我无依无靠＂ "I am all alone!
＂现在该怎么办 ＂ "What will I do now?
＂我没了老婆＂ "I have no wife!
＂没有人指挥我做事＂ "No-- No one to tell me what to do!
＂没有人教我怎么说话了＂ No one to tell me what to say..."
＂只剩我了吗 ＂ "I am all alone.
＂就只剩我了＂ "I am all alone. I am all alo-- I, I, I am all alone! All alone! I am all alone!"
他看来很像阿拉法特 He looks like Arafat! No...
阿拉法特在电视上的手势很夸张 Crazy Arafat gestures on TV!
不许侮辱领导人 Do not insult the chairman.
侮辱他就等于侮辱我们 You insult the chairman, you insult us!
阿布阿拉 开玩笑而已 Abu Ala, I didn't mean-- It was a joke--
你以为我们只有私人身份吗 You think we are just here as us?
我们是他的代表 We are the head and arms of him!
朋友 拜托别激动 Friends, please, please, please, please.
我们代表了他 We are the head and arms of him!
－好了‥别激动 －他开玩笑而已 Please, please!
侮辱我的名誉者死 We will bury you before you take our honor--
松饼上桌了 I have brought waffles.
我最爱的人来了 Oh! There she is. The one I love is here.
各位请坐 Please. Uh, please. Sit, gentlemen. Sit. Sit.
松饼的食谱传承自家母 This is the waffle recipe of my mother,
她又是跟母亲学的 passed down from her mother.
简单却到位 It is simple, but precise.
材料是香草 糖 Vanilla, sugar...
－奶油 白脱牛奶 －谢谢 Butter...Buttermilk...
面粉 Flour...
还有秘密武器 豆蔻 And the secret is the cardamom.
上桌之后 For the serving,
先铺平鲜奶油和覆盆子 first you spread the whipped cream and the raspberry,
就可以吃了 and then you eat.
好
非常美味‥ Good. Very good. Excellent.
谢谢你
－谢谢你 －谢谢你才对
－ －有够好吃 谢谢 Very, very good. Thank you.
我提议 I propose...
大家都明白 有些议题和人物 that we agree that there are certain subjects--people--
在会谈中不准讨论 we do not discuss, just as when we are in there.
某些底线不能踩 Red lines. Which we do not cross.
没错 Yes.
但在这里 大家都是朋友 Here, let us be friends.
把内容打在法弗专用信笺上 Type everything up on these.
万一有人泄密 This way, if either side leaks it,
另一造就能主张官方并未涉足 the other can claim the entire thing is an unofficial idea
条款纯由你的智库编造 concocted by your organization.
＂原则声明 初稿＂
＂领地与治安等合作议题未决＂
＂原则声明 第三版＂
＂原则声明 第七版＂
＂原则声明 第九版＂
感谢各位愿意参与 Gentlemen, thank you
这场初步协商对谈 for your willingness to take part in these first few steps.
请确认行李都已带走 Uh, make sure you've left nothing behind. No traces.
别留下蛛丝马迹‥太好了 Yes? Good, good, good.
＂原则声明＂
这是最新版原则声明 So, here are the copies of the new DOP.
请务必妥善保存 And for God sake, guard them with your life.
临走前还有件正事要说 One last order of business before you go.
今后讲电话时 When we're speaking on the phone from now on,
以色列的代称是＂小国＂ we'll refer to Israel as "the little country."
拉宾总理是＂祖父＂ Prime Minister Rabin will be "the grandfather."
裴瑞斯外长是＂父亲＂ Shimon Peres, "the father."
尤西贝林是＂儿子＂ Yossi Beilin, "the son."
巴解的代称则是＂对岸＂ The PLO we'll call "those across the sea."
领导人阿拉法特当然是＂祖父＂ Chairman Arafat will be "the grandfather," of course, also.
至于阿布阿拉 And Abu Ala, uh...
叫＂潘托福＂ "Puntoffle."
什么 What?
就是意第绪语的拖鞋一词 It means "slipper," Abu Ala, in Yiddish.
你们比我想的还要奇怪 You are an even stranger people than I imagined.
－好了 －待会见 All right. -I'll see you at home. -Okay.
愿你们一路顺风 May your travels be safe.
你们也是 And yours.
你是我认识的第一个犹太人 You are my first...Jew.
希望我没那么难以下咽 I hope I was not too stringy.
是有点 A bit.
至少比鱼好吃 But still better than fish.
一路顺风 朋友们 Fly well, friends. Be safe.
我们跟那两人没有后续谈判空间 With those two, we can go no further.
接下来得直接跟以色列政府谈 We must deal directly with the Israeli government.
请尤西贝林提升对话层级 Tell Yossi Beilin it's time to upgrade,
否则不必再谈了 or this is over.
尤西 双方才谈个两天 Yossi, the progress that was made
进展就出乎预期 in one two-day meeting, it's beyond imagination,
巴方也愿意再回来谈 and the Palestinians have told me they want to return.
那很好 Excellent.
以色列也该提升代表层级了吧 So you must see it's time now to upgrade the Israeli delegation, yes?
提高层级 Upgrade?
塔瑞 以色列根本没有官方代表 Terje, Israel has no delegation to upgrade.
想想对方的立场吧 Look at it from the other side.
这些巴解官员可是在冒死和谈 These are ministers from the PLO who are risking their lives.
我身为以色列的外交副长 Which as deputy foreign minister of the State of Israel
不该考量这件事 is none of my concern.
但我们总得释出善意 We've got to give them something.
至少能说裴瑞斯外长支持吧 Can I least tell them that Peres is behind this?
他不知情吗 He doesn't know?
但你告诉过我‥ What-- But you--
我告诉过你什么 -You told me-- -I told you what?
塔瑞 有人跟你说话时 Terje, when people talk to you,
要注意听对方在说什么 you should really pay attention to what they actually say.
不能只接收自己想听的讯息 And not just listen for whatever you want to hear.
我若研判有事要让外长知情 If and when something occurs that I deem worthy enough to bring to the foreign minister's attention,
他自然会知道 then he will know.
目前为止 我一人知道就够了 For now, I and I alone know.
我原本担心巴解瞒着上头硬干 Here I was worried the Palestinians are running a rogue operation.
结果是以色列人在乱来 -It turns out it's the fucking Israelis. -Yes.
情况比预想中复杂 Well, things are a bit more complicated than we thought.
还复杂呢 开什么玩笑 Complicated? Are you serious?
你们说过裴瑞斯知情 Mona, you told me that Peres was on board.
现在贝林却否认 And now Beilin is saying the opposite.
听好 我跟你们一样想要帮忙 Look, I want to help as much as you do.
但我们是政府官员 But we are government officials
可能遭控勾吉他国官员 who could now be accused of conspiring with another government's official.
下场可能是解雇 坐牢或更惨 We...We could be fired. Jailed. Worse.
等一下 也许我们没想通 Wait. Wait. What if we're missing something?
我们没告知外长 We're not telling Holst,
是为了保护他与外交部 in order to protect him and the ministry.
贝林的动机也许一样 What if Beilin is just doing the same?
裴瑞斯一旦获知 Look, the moment he tells Peres,
就得报告拉宾总理 Peres will have to tell Prime Minister Rabin,
谈判就成了官方事务 and then things will become official.
如此一来 密谈就没戏唱了 And once they're official, then this whole channel is over.
只要裴瑞斯不知情 So, as long as Peres remains in the dark,
贝林就能继续推动协商 then Beilin can keep pushing the process forward.
看能谈到什么地步 See how far things go.
原来如此 Oh. I see.
就继续安排看看吧 So then we push on. Right?
再召开一次会议 One more meeting.
不准张扬 要保密 Discreet. Under wraps.
以方层级要提高 否则没搞头 But Mona, we need an upgrade from the Israeli delegation, or this won't work.
我知道 Yeah, I know.
由于以巴暴力冲突日趋恶化 In response to the escalating violence between Israeli and Palestinian civilians,
拉宾总理下令封锁加沙地带 Prime Minister Rabin has sealed Gaza. On one hand,
我们虽然希望加萨居民 能在以色列工作 we would like the Gazans to work in Israel,
否则他们无法维生 because otherwise, they don't have any source of income to sustain themselves.
但另一方面 At the same time,
我必须保护以色列人民 I am responsible for the security of the people of Israel.
关键在于两害相权取其轻 And how to mitigate between the two, this is the key problem.
老天爷 塔瑞 For God's sake, Terje,
我国人民当街遇害 our people are being murdered in the streets!
祖父若不封锁边界 If our grandfather did not close the border,
－位子就坐不住了 －尤西 我了解 -he would have been hounded from office. -Yossi-- Yossi, I understand.
不但了解也能同理 I more than understand. I empathize.
但对岸很坚持 But those across the sea are emphatic.
小国必须提升谈判代表层级 They say the little country must upgrade their delegation.
告诉潘托福 You tell Puntoffle that when he puts
先拿出够看的条件上桌 something on the table of substance,
他们的请求才有得谈 then we will consider his request.
但他们并非‥ But they are not--
拉森‥ Larsen? Larsen?
他们怎么说 What do they say?
潘托福 儿子请我恭敬转达 Puntoffle, hello. The son, uh, wishes me to respectfully inform you
只要你们展现具体诚意 that, uh, when a more substantial offer is put forth,
他们就会考虑提升谈判代表层级 uh, your request for, uh, an upgrade, uh, will be considered.
去死 他这个死混蛋 Fuck him! He's a fucking bastard!
我们都帮忙处理加萨问题了 We have offered to take Gaza off their hands!
冒死谈判的也是我们 We are the ones whose lives hang in the balance!
他们不升级 我也不谈了 They will not upgrade, so I will not return.
－他们会升级 －塔瑞 They will upgrade.
是吗 They will?
－对 －要派谁 Uh, yeah. Who are they sending?
－你在干嘛 －细节不清楚 但他们愿意升级 -What are you doing? -I don't know the details yet, but, but an upgrade is coming.
你怎么知道 How do you know this?
莫娜说的 Uh, Mona told me.
－什么 －她去见了小国的儿子 -What? -She's met with the son from the little country,
要求对方保证 你们若愿意再谈 and she made him promise that if you return to Oslo,
他们就提升代表层级 千真万确 then they'll send an upgrade. Guaranteed.
莫娜当真做了吗 Mona has done this?
对 -Yeah.
拉森 你要用妻子的灵魂起誓 Swear it to me, Larsen. On the soul of your wife.
我用妻子的＂疑问＂起誓 I swear on the soul of my wife.
请你相信我 You've got to trust me.
我相信莫娜 I trust Mona.
你少了她就啥也办不成 Without her, you are nothing.
去订机票吧 Book the flight.
谢谢你 Thank you.
你知道自己干了什么好事吗 Do you have any idea what you have done?
我明明办不到 你还答应别人 You have promised something I cannot do.
尤西会提升层级 -But Yossi will upgrade.
－你怎么知道 －他就是会 -How do you know that? -Because, Mona. He will.
你根本没回答 -That's not an answer, Terje.
亲爱的 你回顾现有成果吧 Okay, darling, just look at all we've achieved.
你这一乱搞就毁了 That you have now jeopardized by your recklessness.
－百年来的仇恨厮杀 －我们说好了 你却置之不理 By your total disregard of everything we agreed to. A hundred years of hatred
眼看就要有转机 and bloodshed teetering on the cusp of change.
我们得不计代价来促成 We've gotta do whatever it takes.
但也不可以说谎 塔瑞 Except lying to them, Terje!
无能的半吊子才会撒谎 -Only a bungling amateur lies.
天啊 你的挪威性格真根深柢固 -Oh, God. You are so fucking Norwegian!
遇到什么都有问题 全得反对 Everything is a fucking problem. Everything is an objection!
我日以继夜跟他们通话 I am on the phone with them day and night,
奋战不屈 fighting to stay on my feet,
你却只要我投降 and all you want me to do is sink to my fucking knees!
一切都结束了 塔瑞 This is finished, Terje.
结束了 It's finished.
但眼前还有一条活路 Unless we do one thing.
是什么 What?
跟霍斯特外长报告现况 Tell Holst what we are doing.
不行 霍斯特是自大狂 -No. No, Mona. He's a megalomaniac.
对 我们正好能利用他的自大 -Yes. And now, that megalomaniac is exactly what we need.
霍斯特向来坚持到底 Holst does nothing in half measures.
只要能说服他 If we can convince him,
外交部就会倾全力支持 he'll throw the full weight of the ministry behind us.
借此让以方升高层级 He will help us get that upgrade,
事情就成得了 and then we will make this happen.
你真是有史以来最棒的女人 You...are the most extraordinary woman who has ever lived.
塔瑞 现在没空 -No, Terje, we don't have time for this.
－文字不足以描述你的好 －塔瑞 别挑现在闹‥ -There are no words... -Terje, we don't have time for this. to describe how wonderful you are.
够了 放手‥ -Stop talking. Stop talking.
违反外交惯例实在不可取 The violation of protocol has been totally inappropriate.
－我同意 －天啊 也太冒进了 -I agree. -My God, the risks.
连随扈也没安排 Not even a security detail.
拉森提议要这样 That was Larsen's idea.
深夜租车还自驾 Driving alone, middle of the night. Rental cars.
又是拉森的点子 -Again Larsen. -Mmm.
霍斯特部长 Minister Holst,
＂挪威外交部长＂ 以巴双方单单一次会谈 in but one meeting, the Israelis and ourselves
进展就完全超乎想像 have made progress beyond all hopes.
密谈一旦获得您支持 With your support, our secret channel
就会是一股清流 will continue to feed fresh water
有助华府资助的官方会谈 to the official Washington-sponsored talks.
您是贵国最伟大的政治家 You are your nation's greatest statesman.
唯有您能促进以巴双方长治久安 Only you can move our two peoples towards a true and lasting peace.
往后密谈要有两名菁英随扈 At all further meetings, there will be an elite, two-man security detail
由我亲自挑选 chosen by me.
同意 Agreed.
外交副长扬恩艾格蓝 My deputy, Jan Egeland,
－将接替以巴协调人一职 －不行 -will run all further liaisons between the PLO and-- -No!
一定要让拉森来 It must be Larsen.
他的作法怪归怪 His ways are strange,
但透过这种方式 but through his methods,
两个族群真心诚意展开了对谈 we have begun a true dialogue between our peoples.
若想成功就非他不可 If we are to succeed, it must be him,
因为他对双方都说实话 for this one speaks truth to both sides.
他不会说谎 He does not lie.
你会说谎吗 -Do you, Larsen?
不会 -No.
谢谢霍斯特部长 Thank you, Minister Holst.
－后会有期 －谢谢 -We will meet again. -Thank you.
＂１９９３年３月＂
－好在又是学界同僚 －教授 幸会 Nice to have another professor with us. Welcome. Hope you enjoyed your flight.
我们深感荣幸 Such a pleasure to meet you. An honor. Truly.
你们的随扈太显眼了 Your security detail is calling attention.
叫他们先走 Send them on ahead.
好 抱歉 Yes, um, sorry. Uh...
您需要知道什么细节吗 Are there any details you'd like us to brief you on?
眼前的路虽然很长 Obviously, a great distance still to go,
但诚如尤西副长所说 but as you heard from Yossi,
进展相当神速 the progress-- it's been dizzying.
坐下来谈吧 We should be sitting down, ah?
我要去尿尿 I have to take a piss.
＂乌利萨维尔＂
＂以色列 外交部总干事＂
各位 这位是乌利萨维尔 Gentlemen, I'd like to introduce Uri Savir,
以色列外交部总干事 director general of the Israeli Foreign Ministry.
萨维尔先生 见过阿布阿拉 Uri Savir, please meet Abu Ala,
和哈珊艾斯佛 and Hassan Asfour.
我应裴瑞斯之邀 代替他发言 I am here at the personal request and as the voice of Shimon Peres.
我应阿拉法特之邀 代替他发言 And I am here at the personal request and as the voice of Yasser Arafat.
欢迎您来奥斯陆 Welcome to Oslo.
我们开始谈吧 Let us begin.
建议提出原则声明的是你们吧 The idea of this DOP was yours, yes?
没错 Yes, it was.
针对这些具体方针 您有何官方回应 What is your official response to our concrete proposals there?
我不回应非官方文件 I have no response to an unofficial document.
但我已获授权 什么都能谈 What I have is a mandate to negotiate in full with you.
你们之前在这间会议室里 What you have all done in this room so far
大谈和平理念 is discuss the idea of peace.
我来是要磋商实质议和条件 I have been sent here to try and negotiate actual peace.
大家先把丑话说在前头 So...Let us put our cards on the table.
我国视你们为恐怖份子和杀手 In my country, we see you as terrorists and murderers
打算把我国赶进海里 who wish to drive us into the sea.
你们在慕尼黑奥运屠杀我国选手 You killed our athletes in Munich.
在马阿洛特屠杀我国学童 Murdered our school children in Ma'alot,
还在赎罪日开战 造成重大死伤 invaded us and spilled our blood on Yom Kippur,
这可是最神圣的犹太节日 the highest holy day we have.
想必两位一定能明白 So you will understand when I say
你们并非议和的理想对象 that we do not view you as ideal partners for peace.
我国则视你们为一群蛮人 In my country, we see you as a savage nation,
放任军队恣意射杀我方儿童 whose army shoots our children for sport.
犹太人受过宗教迫害 Your people persecuted for your faith--
种族屠杀 murdered in Pogroms,
逃难到巴勒斯坦 fled to Palestine,
我方并未干预你们祈祷 where you were left alone to pray,
讨生活 求发展 and strive, and grow strong.
等到你们变强了 And when you became strong,
却烧掉我们的家园 you burned our homes,
害一百万巴勒斯坦人流离失所 drove a million people from Palestine,
至今仍不承认巴勒斯坦存在 and claim to this day that there was never such a thing as Palestine!
所以你应该能理解 So, you will understand our mistrust of you
我方觉得难以跟你们和平共存 as ideal partners for peace.
好 现在大家都撂完狠话了 Okay. Now that we've both swung our dicks,
这么说吧 let me say this.
我方已厌倦战争 We are tired of being at war with you.
决心终止暴力与敌意的循环 We are committed to ending the cycle of violence and enmity.
但我得声明 But I want to be clear.
以色列国安绝不容妥协 Israel will not sacrifice its security.
但贵国寻求安宁的唯一法门 And you will never have that security, Mr. Savir,
就是跟我们谈和 until you make peace with us.
我们要点头 邻国才会承认你们 For our region of the world will never accept you until we accept you.
大部分议题都可以谈 Much of this, we are willing to discuss.
但我得声明 But let me be clear.
以色列对耶路撒冷握有绝对主权 Israel will not negotiate over the sovereignty of the city of Jerusalem.
我们绝不放弃耶路撒冷 We will never relinquish our right to Jerusalem,
巴勒斯坦也必须建国 just as we will never relinquish our right to a Palestinian state.
巴勒斯坦有可能建国 The possibility of a Palestinian state
只要首都不是耶路撒冷都好说 without Jerusalem as its capital is a viable topic,
前提是你们要放下妄想 if you're willing to drop your further impossible demand
协议未竟议题 不能交由第三方仲裁 that all issues not resolved in this DOP be referred to third-party international arbitration.
我们以小搏大 You are Goliath to our David!
中立仲裁者在所必须 A neutral arbitrator is essential.
你说说有哪一国会自愿放弃主权 Give me one country that voluntary cedes national sovereignty,
达得到你们开的这种条件 like you're proposing we do.
新成立的欧盟就是一例 The newly formed European Union comes to mind.
那种空中楼阁不算 Not those fucking pansies.
我说的是正牌国家 I mean a real country.
要兜圈子或具体讨论悉听尊便 We can talk in circles, or we can start to get something done.
我方愿意让出加萨的统治权 Now, we are willing to relinquish control of Gaza--
我们可以接受 Which we will accept,
前提是耶利哥市也比照办理 on condition that you relinquish control of Jericho to us at the same time.
开什么玩笑 Are you fucking serious?
加萨本身只是孤岛 Gaza alone would make us an island,
遭以军团团包围 surrounded by a sea of Israeli forces.
我一直强调以色列国安考量 I've been talking of nothing but Israel's concern for our security,
现在你们想控制的城市 and now you're asking us to give you control of a city
离耶路撒冷不过廿公里 -20 kilometers from Jerusalem? -I am talking about
那是我们在约旦河西岸的城市 our city in our West Bank!
以色列害巴勒斯坦人分居二处 Your country divides my people in two!
我们在加萨和西岸都要有立足点 So we must have a foothold in Gaza and the West Bank!
我方只让出加萨 We'll give you Gaza,
你们先证明不会杀害加萨驻军 and when you show you can stop the killing of our soldiers in Gaza,
再来谈耶利哥市 then we'll talk about Jericho.
这是希蒙裴瑞斯开出的条件 That is from Shimon Peres himself.
不接受就拉倒 Take it or leave it.
我不接受 I leave it.
你们两个跟我来 You two... come with me.
他俩就好 Alone.
乌利 Uri-- -Shh, shh!
今天真够精彩 My God, this day!
人生毫无惊喜还算什么 I mean, life is nothing if not surprising. Am I right, huh? Huh?
－对 说的是 －就这么简单 -Yes, yes. That's very, very true. -Yes, absolutely.
来跳舞吧 Come. Let's have a dance.
跟你说个秘密 I'll tell you a secret.
我见到那两人 快紧张死了 I was nervous as hell to meet those two.
我从未当面见过巴解成员 First members of the PLO I've ever been face-to-face with.
你觉得他们怎么样 So what do you think of them?
不像我想的那么恶劣 Not the demons I was expecting.
那位阿赫麦 你们都叫他什么 This Ahmed-- What do you call him?
阿布阿拉‥ -Abu Ala. -Abu Ala.
他是可以谈的人 I can do business with this man.
我觉得有戏 I think this is going to work.
没事 It's okay.
风声走漏了 -There's been a leak.
什么 -What?
法新社报导 挪威政府促成以巴密谈 Agence France-Presse is reporting a secret Norwegian channel between Israel and the PLO.
篇幅很小 但我国媒体看到了 A small piece, buried, but our press have read it
想探明真相 and they want to know what the hell is going on.
天啊 我该怎么向部长报告 My God. How are we going to break this news to Holst?
不必告诉他 We're not going to tell him.
你就发新闻稿说法新社的报导 You'll release a statement that Agence France-Presse is clearly referring to
显然意指巴勒斯坦难民研讨会 the meeting on the Palestinian refugee situation
我们即将公开主办 that we are officially, and openly, about to host.
这不叫说谎 扬恩 We're not lying, Jan.
措辞谨慎罢了 We're choosing our words carefully.
我跟同事说周末要到巴黎度假 I told everyone in my office I'm off to Paris for the weekend.
一到戴高乐机场便驱车往饭店 I land at De Gaulle, take the car to the hotel,
办完入住就进房 check in, go to my room.
二十分钟后 After 20 minutes,
在门外挂上＂请勿打扰＂ I hang the "Do Not Disturb" sign on the door,
就返回机场隐姓埋名 and head back to the airport...Incognito.
从巴黎飞往奥斯陆的班机客满 The flight from Paris here to Oslo, completely packed...
坐满了伊朗人 with Iranians!
那你怎么办 -Whoa! -Oh, ho-ho-ho! What did you do?
我还能怎么办 What do you think I did, huh?
当场吓到失禁 I shit my pants.
谢谢你 阿布阿拉 你说的对 Thank you so much. Abu Ala, you were right.
这位女士是国宝 This woman is a national treasure.
等一下才有得瞧 Aah, just you wait!
因为松饼时间快到了 For now, we are approaching the hour of the waffles!
瞧瞧谁来了 是莫娜 Look who's here. Mona!
我们得敬莫娜一杯 -We must toast Mona. -Yes.
－对‥ －要好好表扬一下 -No, no, no, no, no-- -We must praise you. No, you can't stop us. We must praise you.
敬莫娜 To Mona.
我们少了她 啥也做不了 Without her, we are nothing.
－对 敬莫娜 －敬莫娜‥ -Yes. To Mona. -To Mona!
莫娜‥ Mona! Mona! Mona!
莫娜‥ Mona! Mona! Mona! Mona!
昨晚你明明说巴勒斯坦要建国 Last night, in there, you said the eventuality I did not!
－一切好说 －不对 我说的是 -I did not. -...is a viable topic for this discussion.
－巴勒斯坦想建国要有前提 －各位 该用晚餐了 -Please. Din-- -Possibility of the Palestinian state is what I said. Dinner is about to be served, gentlemen.
要讨论巴勒斯坦建国的可能性 If you want to discuss the idea of the eventuality of a Palestinian state,
就得先满足以色列的国安需求 then first you must address our security concerns.
我们才不会屈从你的蛮横要求 Your concerns are demands, and I will not be demanded to.
我就说他不肯让步
犹太混蛋喋喋不休
巴解要保证不对以色列人恐攻 We must have proof that the PLO will cease all terrorist activities against all Israeli citizens.
哈珊‥ Hassan. Hassan! Hassan.
我在这里 有话就直说 I'm right here. You want to say something, say it to my face.
好 Okay.
你一副殖民政府高高在上的态度 You sit there, comrade, with your colonial superiority,
擅自决定我们的未来 dictating what our future will or will not be.
纵使握有情搜能力 Yet somehow, with your intelligence service, your army,
军队跟核武 your nuclear weapons,
你们还是惧怕我们 you are threatened by us.
你们究竟是强迫人听令的主子 So, are you the master who must be obeyed,
还是楚楚可怜的被害者 or the victim who must be coddled,
毕竟两者互斥 because you cannot be both!
老实说吧 哈珊 Tell me something, Hassan.
究竟是莫斯科寄这席话给你 Did you get those talking points mailed to you from Moscow?
还是你自己跑去偷抄的 Or did you copy them down yourself?
以色列的未来掌握在我们手上 Your future will be dictated by us!
你们若以为我会在国安上让步 If you think we are going to roll over on the issue of our security,
就大错特错了 you are sorely mistaken!
你们周围有三亿五千万阿拉伯人 Your nation is surrounded by 350 million of us!
不尊重我们 就别想要太平 You will have no security until we have our dignity.
－我国安全了 你们才有份 －你终于露出真面目了 Until we have security, you will have nothing. -Now you reveal your true face!
你果然是个无赖 Now we see the scoundrel you are!
我没事‥ I'm fine. It's all right.
没关系 I'm fine.
原谅我一时失控 真不应该 Forgive my outburst. It was unworthy.
请让我弥补过失 Please allow me to make amends.
我俩出去走走吧 Perhaps you and I could walk together.
如果你愿意的话 If you wish.
我欣赏你的斗志 I admire the way you fight.
谢谢 Thank you.
我欣赏你满腔热情 I admire your passion.
女儿说我激动起来会变成猪头 My daughter says, with me, passion is another word for pigheaded.
她说我总要争到自己对为止 She says, "Papa, all you care about is being right."
我回答 玛雅 I say, "Maya,
不捍卫自己的想法 "if a man does not fight for what he believes,
还算什么人 who is he?"
玛雅 Maya?
对 她是我的女儿 Yes. My daughter.
我的女儿也叫玛雅 My daughter is named Maya.
她是老幺 我的心肝宝贝 My youngest. She is the light of my life.
真希望家父能在世见证这一切 I wish my father had lived to see this.
但天气可能不太合他的意 Though he would not have been crazy about the weather.
真倒楣 找上门的居然是挪威人 This is a true tragedy that we were approached by the Norwegians,
不是加州人 and not the Californians.
天啊 他们在笑吗 -Oh, my God. Are they laughing? -Terje.
塔瑞 再走近一步就等着离婚 If you take one more step, I swear I will divorce you.
令尊还健在吗 Is your father still with us?
他住在阿布迪斯 靠近耶路撒冷 My father lives in Abu Dis, near Jerusalem.
要我帮你传讯给他吗 Do you want me to take a letter to him, bring a message from you?
不用了 No.
我从突尼斯返乡那天 The day I am able to leave Tunis and return,
就是我俩重逢的日子 that is the day he and I will speak.
但谢谢你的好意 But thank you.
阿布阿拉 Abu Ala,
以巴双方人民都活在过去 our peoples live in the past.
放不下曾经拥有的东西 Both obsessing over...over what we have lost.
我们要设法活在当下 Let us find a way to live in the present.
携手合作 Together.
我们愿意妥协 如遇未竟争议 We will agree to drop our demand that outstanding quarrels between us
不必交由第三方进行国际仲裁 be referred to third-party international arbitration.
我们同意协商移交加沙地带 And we will agree to negotiate turning over Gaza...
以及耶利哥市 and Jericho.
你跟我 阿布阿拉 You and I, Abu Ala...
将携手改变世界 We are going to change the world.
＂安全密室＂
＂耶路撒冷 以色列外交部＂
＂乔尔辛格＂
＂以色列外交部法律顾问＂
这是什么鬼东西 What the fuck is this?
负责谈判的是谁 Who the fuck negotiated this?
你自己去谈谈看 You try negotiating this.
这只是草案 It's a working document.
根本是送给阿拉法特的 光明节大礼 It's a fucking Hanukkah present to Yasser Arafat.
裴瑞斯也同意了 This is what Peres wanted.
管他什么裴瑞斯 -Fuck Peres.
裴瑞斯跟大家都一样在拉宾麾下 Peres answers to Rabin just like the rest of us.
草案完全违逆 我国四十年来的政策 This flies in the face of 40 years of Israeli policy.
＂移交加萨地区和耶利哥市＂ We turn over control of Gaza, and Jericho?
＂耶路撒冷由巴勒斯坦人自治＂ The inclusion of Jerusalem in Palestinian self-rule?
－乔尔 那只是议题而已 －耶路撒冷 -Joel, these are just talking points-- -Jerusalem.
难不成祖父辈建国 Is this why our grandparents founded this country?
是要让我们这样乱搞吗 So we could do this?
双方在四个月间 从无法相见到拟出了草案 In four months, we've gone from not even conceiving of meeting these people to that.
四十年来寸步未进 Forty years, nothing.
如今用四个月就成果丰硕 Now four months, that.
每回谈判 对方都会致电 Every negotiating round, my counterpart calls
联络突尼斯的巴解总部 PLO headquarters in Tunis,
直接跟阿拉法特确认 and speaks directly to Arafat.
草案中的每一条与所有让步 Every point. Every concession these men have made
都经过阿拉法特认可 has been signed off on by Arafat.
政府里有谁知道这份文件 Who in the government knows this document exists?
我们三人加上裴瑞斯 The three of us, and Peres.
还有拉宾总理 And Rabin.
写得乱七八糟 It's written like mush.
法律事务所清洁工还写得比较好 The janitor in my law firm would have done a better job.
每句话都能由双方自由解读 Every sentence here could be read to mean anything by either side.
根本是定时炸弹 It's a fucking time bomb.
那就麻烦你拆弹了 So diffuse it, Joel.
拉宾认定只有你办得到 Rabin trusts you, and you alone, to do it.
我们不是律师 得借助你的长才 We are not lawyers. We need your expertise.
请看看这份乱七八糟的文件 Go through this "mush."
能否修改成具法律效力的协议 Figure out if it can be turned into a real binding document or not.
以巴双方要再行协商 Nothing more can happen between Israel and the PLO
就得经过你同意 unless you tell us it's a go.
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朋友们 平安 -Shalom, friends.
阿布阿拉 哈珊 -Abu Ala. Hassan,
－容我介绍‥ －我们都知道对方的底细 it is my great pleasure to introduce you to-- -They know who I am and I know who they are.
没空闲聊了 We don't have time for chit-chat.
我看过双方共同草拟的文件 I've read the text of the joint document created here,
有两百个问题要厘清 and I've come with 200 questions about this document.
我们不回答问题 We reject your questions,
也不欣赏你的语气 as we reject your tone.
提出问题的是拉宾总理 These questions come directly from Yitzhak Rabin.
他本人派我过来 I am here at his personal request.
你们跟我谈 When you're speaking to me,
就如同跟以色列总理说话 you're speaking to the prime minister of Israel.
我在凌晨六点得走 只能熬夜了 I have until 0600 hours. We'll need to work through the night.
赶快开始吧 Let's get started.
你们知道他是谁吗 Do you know who this man is?
乔尔辛格起草了接战法则 Joel Singer wrote the military rules of engagement
犹太复国军队据以残杀我方百姓 the Zionist army used to crush our people.
我们正跟仇人坐在同一条船上 We are now in the boat with the enemy himself.
两百个问题都需要明确答案 Each of these 200 questions requires a precise answer.
我接受答复后才能进入下一题 When I'm satisfied with your answer, we'll move on to the next question.
以色列若移交耶利哥市周边治权 "If the State of Israel agrees to cede control of Jericho and its surrounding territory,
未来成立的巴勒斯坦当局 "will the proposed Palestinian authority
是否会收以色列聚落的垃圾 "collect Israeli garbage?
还是只收巴勒斯坦人的垃圾 Or only Palestinian garbage?"
你当真想问这个吗 This is your question?
这是第一个问题 Well, this is my first question.
先同意 继续谈下去
我们不收以色列人的垃圾 No, we will not collect Israeli garbage.
以色列若移交耶利哥市周边治权 "If the State of Israel agrees to cede control of Jericho and its surrounding territory,
未来成立的巴勒斯坦当局 "will the proposed Palestinian authority
是否会到以色列屯垦区收税 "be prepared to send tax collectors into Israeli settlements?"
辛格先生 我们不远前来 Mr. Singer, we did not fly across the world
不是为了讨论垃圾和税金 to speak of garbage and taxes.
收垃圾和税金系属政府权责 Garbage and taxes is what a government does.
你们若想接收领土 成立政府 If you want us to give you the authority to be a government,
协议就须清楚载明 then this joint document must spell out exactly how
政府如何遂行统治权 you will be a government.
我得致电突尼斯 I must speak with Tunis.
喝点咖啡吧 Coffee?
库赖先生到底要打几次电话 How many times is Mr. Qurie going to do this?
我们已经浪费了一个半小时 We've already lost an hour and a half.
－到底在等什么 －别担心 没事
谢谢
你和先生何必忙这一遭 Why are you doing this? You and your husband?
假如易地而处 你不会做吗 Well, if you were in our shoes, Mr. Singer, wouldn't you do the same?
不会 所以我才想问 No. That's why I'm asking.
我和塔瑞曾途经加萨 Terje and I were touring Gaza.
当时我派驻中东 正在出公差 Part of my work while I was stationed in the region.
我们在谷地里走岔了路 We took a wrong turn down an alley.
侥幸逃过一劫 但同行的死了 We were fine. Others were not.
我看见两个男孩面对面 There were two boys facing each other.
一个穿制服 一个穿牛仔裤 One in uniform. One in jeans.
脸上却都流露惊恐 But on their faces, the same fear.
两人都不想待在现场 The same desperate desire to be anywhere but here.
不愿动手杀害对方 To not be doing this to the other boy.
我先失陪了 Now, if you'll excuse me.
我知道自己该扮演什么角色 I understand our role here.
但你最好知道 But I think you should know...
阿布阿拉每次说要致电突尼斯 Whenever Abu Ala goes to use the phone and call Tunis,
都不曾真正打去 he does not call Tunis.
那他打电话给谁 Who does he call?
他没打电话 No one.
就只是坐在房里发呆 He sits in his room, staring at the wall.
等到差不多该讲完电话了 When enough time for a phone call has passed,
就把新的指示带回会议室 he comes back in with new instructions.
感谢告知 Thank you.
琼特 -Trond?
是 -Yeah?
我俩知道这件事就好 Just keep this between you and me. Yes?
别跟莫娜说 我会处理 Don't tell Mona. I'll take care of it.
所谓毗邻耶利哥市的以色列聚落 So, the phrase "Israeli settlements abutting the city of Jericho,"
语意很不清楚 包括哪些聚落 is vague and imprecise. Which settlements, what other--
－怎么划界 －聚落及界线 -Settlements and boundaries, as per article four,
遵照华盛顿会谈草案 ３２页第４条之规范 page 32, of the working document of the official Washington talks.
我要看具体条款内容 Show me the language of this document.
我的存档在这里 My copy of this document resides here.
你要到哪里查阅是你的事 Your copy is your business.
第两百题 Question number 200.
你们是否愿意在此声明 Are you willing to state herein
以色列为合法国家 that you recognize the legitimacy of the State of Israel?
我方同意于此声明中 We will agree in this document
同意以色列存在 to accept the existence of the State of Israel.
我们当然存在 We know we exist,
也知道你们明白我们存在 and we know you see that we exist.
但你们要在文件中确认 What this document requires is for you to acknowledge
以色列是合法主权国家 the legitimacy of our existence.
辛格先生 假如你们愿意声明 Mr. Singer, when you are willing to state herein
巴勒斯坦解放组织 that the Palestine Liberation Organization is the official
为巴勒斯坦官方机构 voice of the Palestinian people,
以色列的合法性就值得讨论 then we will revisit your legitimacy.
他们让步得够多了
你们清楚直白回答了问题 Your answers to my questions were clear and direct,
本人在此致上谢忱 for which you have our thanks and our respect.
谨代表伊扎克拉宾总理与以色列 On behalf of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and the State of Israel,
我方提议以此秘商管道 we make this offer that this back channel
作为正式交流平台 will become the official channel.
华府资助的会谈怎么办 But what of the Washington-sponsored talks?
他们可以继续谈 They'll continue,
参与会谈的人也不会知道 and no one involved in those talks will know
会谈只是障眼法而已 that what they are doing is now nothing but a ruse.
两位负责谈判 You both will negotiate.
我们来写条款 You and I will write.
我们四人得在会议室中 In this room,
缔造和平 we four will forge peace,
否则和平不会降临 or there will be no peace.
打火机来了 Lighter.
扬恩 你不能退出 Jan, you cannot drop out.
我可以 莫娜 -Yes, I can, Mona.
你若还清醒的话也该照做 And if you have a shred of sense left, you will do the same.
协商过程需要你来协助 But this process needs you.
回顾现有成果吧 -Look at what has just happened!
的确 看清楚点 -Exactly. Look.
用秘密管道牵线议和倒还好 I mean, my God, it's one thing for a peace process to have a secret back channel.
现在官方和谈改为私下进行 Now the actual peace process itself is a secret.
－我知道 －决定双方人民命运的过程 -Yes, I know, but-- -The future of two peoples is now
毫无问责性 过程不透明 being decided without accountability, without transparency,
协商成员极少 还未经正式批准 by a handful of men who have no mandate to do so.
－但打从一开始‥ －假如继续下去 -But that was always the ca-- -If you continue down this path,
世人知道了真相就会乱成一锅 and the world finds out what you are all doing, there will be riots.
血流成河 Blood will be spilled.
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我在年少时告诉母亲 When I was a young man, I told my mother
我的志向是开战机 that my dearest wish was to become a fighter pilot.
她只开了一个条件 She said she would allow it on one condition:
就是我要慢慢开 飞低一点 that I fly very slowly, and very close to the ground.
我回答 飞行员要想平安生还 I replied, "But, Mother, for a pilot to be safe,
就得飞得又高又快 he must fly very fast, and very high."
你的皮鞋很好看 I adore your shoes.
－谢谢 －你先撑过还是直接就穿 Oh, thank you. Do you have them stretched, or break them in yourself?
当然要先撑过才会合脚 Stretched, of course. That way, they fit like a glove.
希蒙 谈谈阿拉法特跟巴解吧 Shimon, if you could. Arafat, and the PLO.
协议要是落空 Look, if this deal does not happen,
巴解就成了空壳子 the PLO will be so hollowed out,
也许会因希望幻灭而土崩瓦解 so bereft of victories it may well cease to exist.
这可不行 This, we cannot allow.
因为以色列需要巴解 For Israel needs the PLO to exist.
阿拉法特很难搞 但究竟是人 Arafat is tricky, but he is a man.
人最心心念念的就是家乡 And a man aches for one thing above all: his home.
请乌利转告阿布阿拉 Tell Uri to tell Abu Ala
阿拉法特跟我们签订协议后 that if Arafat makes this deal with us,
他和巴解高层就能重返加萨 I will allow him and the rest of the PLO leadership to return to Gaza.
我们要放阿拉法特 和巴解回加萨吗 Arafat, and the PLO in Gaza?
要大胆一搏就趁现在 If we are to be bold, it must be now.
请大家再回奥斯陆谈最后一回合 Get them all back to Oslo for one last round.
不准让美国知道 And we tell the Americans nothing.
希蒙 只字不提吗 But Shimon, nothing?
我当年差点跟约旦国王胡笙谈和 I was this close to making peace with King Hussein and the Jordanians,
美国听到风声就来搅局 until the Americans got wind, and scuttled it.
这次绝不能放任他们胡来 This, they will not scuttle.
美方随时可能直接质问我们 But the Americans could ask us directly, any moment.
不管问到谁 If they ask any of us,
我们就说秘密管道已经关闭了 we say the back channel is closed.
你要大家撒谎吗 You mean flat-out lie?
谎言不过是可能实现的梦想 What is a lie but a dream that could come true?
飞得又高又快是唯一解方 Fast and high, my friends. It is the only way.
以色列持续攻击真主党 As Israel's assault on Hezbollah continues,
逃往贝鲁特的难民已高达廿万人 the refugees streaming toward Beirut have now reached upwards of 200,000.
巴勒斯坦难民镇日受困 The Palestinians have spent the day trapped
遭黎巴嫩军队和以色列盟军夹杀 between the Lebanese army and Israel's allies.
巴勒斯坦难民跋涉了一哩 The Palestinians have been marching for a mile
穿过荒烟蔓草 through this desolate nomad's land,
一边躲避战火 when they came under fire.
战车的弹着点就在一百码外 A tank round landed only a hundred yards in front of them...
机枪炮火满天飞 while machine gunfire whistled over their heads.
巴勒斯坦难民只能祷告 Many of the Palestinians started to pray
枪声不绝于耳 as the gunfire echoed around them.
以色列支持的军力借此清楚警告 It was a clear warning to these men from the Israeli's proxies
不准再靠近边界一步 not to go any closer to the border.
阿布阿拉 Abu Ala,
我们要在明天遏止这一切 tomorrow we will finish this.
这名男子的脸部了受重伤 This man was seriously wounded in the face.
我们会找出办法 -We will find a way.
媒体协助送医 -Reporters took him to hospital.
巴勒斯坦难民今夜仍毫无遮蔽 Tonight, the Palestinians are still on the road, out in the open.
南黎巴嫩军的炮弹碎片 击中了两名巴勒斯坦人 Two Palestinians were hit by shrapnel from the SLA's fire,
黎巴嫩总理今晚宣布 and this evening, the Lebanese prime minister
将阻挡送往难民的外援 announced he was stopping any more aid reaching them,
意图显然是引起世人瞩目 a clear attempt to increase the world's concern,
好让以色列脸上无光 and the Israeli's embarrassment.
独立新闻记者罗伯穆尔 Robert Moore, ITN,
在以黎边境报导 on the Israeli- Lebanese border.
太离谱了 -It's a disaster!
－亚尔 怎么了 －那混蛋毁了我们数月的心血 -Yair, what is? -What's going on? -Months of work ruined by that son of a bitch!
辛格彻底改写了草案 What this Singer has brought, it's, it's almost a complete rewrite!
我们跟巴解谈好的条件都消失了 The DOP we made together, it's disappeared.
辛格拿掉了移交耶利哥市的段落 Singer took out that we agreed to give them Jericho,
还说对方同意我们的所有要求 and he put in that they agreed to everything we asked for.
你们得设法处理 You have to fix this.
亚尔 我不能‥ Yair, I can't-- -No, no!
我说的是莫娜 他们会听你的 Mona, you are the one they will listen to.
我只负责起头 不能干涉 No. I, I can only facilitate. I cannot interfere.
错了 现在缺你不可 No! You are part of this now.
我们只能靠你了 It has to be you.
快点进去 Go. In. Now! How--
好吧 Okay.
这不叫合作 This is not a "joint approach."
而是以色列强行占领 Wait-- -This is an Israeli occupation.
你们管不着 You have no right to tell us
巴解军队如何对待我方人民 how our army will deal with our people.
继续往下谈的前提 We are not going one step further
就是你们同意按照白纸黑字 until you agree, as written there,
移交后立刻终结暴力 that the violence ceases when you are in charge.
巴解政府目前位在突尼斯 Uh, we are in Tunis.
反抗运动由当地军力发起 Those who are occupied began the Intifada.
停火与否也得看他们 It is theirs to end when they see fit.
那我们干嘛跟你们谈 Then why the fuck are we talking to you?
乔尔 我负责谈判 好吗 Joel, I am negotiating, yes? Then let me negotiate!
乌利 你们为何就是不愿承认 Uri, why do you refuse to recognize
我们确实退了很多步 the historic compromises we have already made?
什么让步 You have made?
我们要移交领地 国土变小了 Abu Ala, we are giving you land. We are shrinking the size of our country!
国土原本不是你们的 这叫返还 -Hey, this is not land for you to give, but to give back!
是你们自己丢了领土 This is land you fucking lost because you invaded us,
侵略不成 搞得落花流水 and we kicked your fucking ass.
耶路撒冷的条款在哪里 And where in this, where is Jerusalem?
敢提耶路撒冷的话就免谈 You put Jerusalem back on the table, and everything is over.
你们再抱持这种态度 You go on like this,
就永远只是占领军 you will never stop being the occupier,
我们跟以色列绝不罢休 and we will never stop fighting you!
你们打仗 害死了自己的小孩 Your fighting is killing your own children!
少了抗争 你们也不会议和 Our fighting has forced you to stand in this room, and deal with us!
朋友 听好了 My friend, my friend, listen to me,
－合作才是解方 －我是他的上级 He works for me!
你听好了 乔尔 Let us be fucking clear, Joel.
你代表总理 我代表外长 You are here for Yitzhak, -I'm here for Shimon.
你跟我要来确保这些人守信用 -You are here with me. to make these people, for once, keep their fucking word.
你这个混蛋‥
够了‥ Enough! Enough! Eh, eh.
你们得签署双方谈好的和约 You will accept this document that we've all agreed to. All of us.
否则就别谈了 Or we are done.
请记录 Write this down.
现在是上午九点整 At exactly 0900 hours,
１９９３年７月２８日 28th of July, 1993.
以巴奥斯陆密谈正式结束 The Oslo PLO-Israeli channel was closed.
各位 请听我说 Listen to me, please.
你们缠斗厮杀了五十年 You have fought and killed each other for 50 years.
母亲跟儿女都因此丧生 Your mothers, your daughters, your sons have died,
问题依旧无解 and nothing has changed.
各国决定束手旁观以巴冲突 The world has washed its hands of this conflict
因为没有人相信你们能改变 because it does not believe that you can change.
你们不会有奥援了 No one else is coming to help you.
就只能靠自己 This is up to you.
以色列逐年逐日越来越孤立 You grow more isolated by the year--the day--
军队占领了不想要的领地 as your soldiers occupy land you do not even want.
亟欲脱手 That you are desperate to leave.
巴解则是困在突尼斯 And you, you are stranded in Tunis,
现在对方愿意移交领土 yet here now, you are being offered that land.
让你们返回家园自治 A return home. To govern yourselves.
各位掌握了机会 This is your chance.
错过的代价令人承受不起 You cannot afford to miss this moment.
你们都冒这么大的险了 Look at the risks you have already taken together.
请重返会议桌 从头商讨吧 Now please, sit back down and find a way.
麻烦了 Please.
我愿意重新看看能谈出什么 I'm willing to start over. See what we can see.
从第８条开始谈 Begin with article eight.
他们在这一点上明显愿意让步 They are clearly open to meeting you halfway on this issue.
第８条末尾 End of article eight.
＂以色列将持续负起全责＂ The sentence, "Israel will continue to carry all responsibilities,"
后面要加上 must be followed by the words
＂防御外侮或恐怖攻击＂ "for defending against external threats or terrorist threats."
我方接受第８条加上防御外侮 In article eight, we will accept "external threats,"
但不含恐怖攻击 but not "terrorist threats."
同意 Agreed.
联合国的既有 第２４２和３３８号决议案 The long-standing UN Resolution 242 and 338
批判以军占领行径 criticizing the Israeli occupation
必须列入协议之中 must be included in this document.
我们坚决反对 That, we categorically reject.
但你们若同意搁置 以色列屯垦区的未来处置 But if you are willing to postpone discussion on the future of Israeli settlements--
我们不同意 -No. We will not.
但１９６７年战争失地应否归还 But, the right to return for those displaced in the '67 war,
我们同意日后再议 this, we agree to postpone to a later date.
你们若同意边境安检由我方掌控 And if you are willing to accept our control of border security,
以色列将全面自加萨撤军 we will withdraw all our forces from Gaza,
耶利哥市也一样 and Jericho, at the same time.
两国共同以耶路撒冷为首都 The city of Jerusalem will be capital for both.
免谈 No!
＂１９９３年８月＂
－我是拉森 －塔瑞吗 Terje.
我是儿子 代父亲传话 This is the son calling with a message from the father.
父亲要请你召集团队 The father says you need to assemble your team
明天秘密飞往瑞典斯德哥尔摩 and fly tomorrow in secret to Stockholm, Sweden.
明晚父亲出席瑞典国宴后 Tomorrow night, the father will be attending a state dinner over there, and after dinner,
会在王宫会客室接见你们 he will meet you and your team at the royal guest house.
他决定要做了 And... then he will make it.
做什么 Make what?
议和 Peace.
跟对岸议和 With those across the sea.
明晚就会拍板定案 We are going to finish it, Terje. Tomorrow night.
＂瑞典王宫＂
＂斯德哥尔摩＂
你们要求见裴瑞斯外长多久 So, how long will you be with Mr. Peres tonight?
要看外长的意思 As long as Mr. Peres wishes.
请问有东西可以吃吗 perhaps we could get something to eat?
很晚了 有办法吗 It's late. Could that be arranged?
厨房已经休息了 The kitchen is closed.
部长 晚宴进行得如何 Oh. Mr. Foreign Minister. How was your function?
很累人 Long.
需要帮您从厨房带些什么吗 May I get you something from the kitchen?
不用 谢谢 No, thank you.
这两人不在会客名单上 This couple is not on the official list for the guest house.
好 你可以走了 Good. You may leave us.
霍斯特还在参加晚宴 随后就到 Holst is still at the reception, but he's coming.
这是最新版协议 辛格改过 This is the latest draft, with Singer's markings.
上工吧 Let's get started.
巴解的代表呢 But where are the Palestinians?
巴勒斯坦人不会来 The Palestinians are not coming.
我们得通话敲定 We are doing this on the phone.
你们联络突尼斯 就说我打来 You will ring Tunis. Tell them I'm calling,
请他们找阿拉法特听电话 and have them put Arafat on the line.
巴解高层知道您会打来吗 Is the PLO leadership expecting your call?
巴解高层 The PLO leadership
从未跟以色列高层对话 has never spoken to the Israeli leadership, ever.
唯有巴解领导人和我 But the chairman and I are the only ones
能做出痛苦却必要的让步 who can make the necessary and painful final compromises.
他和我依法不能直接联络 Since he and I can have no contact of any kind,
只能请霍斯特外长当中间人 we will use Holst as our intermediary.
快致电突尼斯 找阿拉法特吧 Now dial Tunis, and find Arafat.
天色晚了 还有得忙呢 The night is not young, my friends, and we have a long way to go.
打给突尼斯 说得像有专线电话一样 "Dial Tunis"? Like there's one phone number there?
阿拉法特又不是打电话就能找着 This is Arafat. He's not reachable by phone.
阿布阿拉在哪里 -Where is Abu Ala?
－不晓得 －在突尼斯吗 -I don't know. -Is he in Tunis?
我不知道 莫娜 -I don't know, Mona.
你在干嘛 What are you doing?
我得找遍阿布阿拉可能待的地方 I'm going to call every possible number where Abu Ala could be staying.
他知道阿拉法特的联系方法 He'll know how to reach Arafat.
天啊 Oh, my God.
天啊 午夜已经不远 Christ! It's almost midnight.
快没时间了 We are running out of time.
裴瑞斯外长已经休息 Mr. Peres has retired for this evening,
办公室也要关了 so this office is closed.
不对 外长待会儿就会过来 No, Mr. Peres will be joining us again
可以借用影印机吗 in a few moments.
影印机也关了 Uh, may we use your copy machine?
谢谢 Thank you.
你好 Hello?
－塔瑞 －听得到吗‥ Can you hear me? -Can you hear me?
听得到 潘托福 -Yes, yes, Puntoffle.
听好了 父亲请我来电 Listen to me. I'm calling for the father.
他想跟令祖父通话 He wishes to speak with your grandfather.
从现在起 今晚通话敲定整件事 He wants to finish it. On this phone. Now. Tonight.
听懂了吗 Do you understand?
听到了 我再回电给你 Yes, I do. I will call you back.
不行 我们等不及回电了 No, no, no, no, no. Don't call me back.
我再回电给你 I will call you back.
潘托福‥ Puntoffle, listen--
抱歉 文件卡在影印机里 I'm sorry. It's stuck in the copy machine,
拿不出来 and I can't get it out.
找人帮忙啊 Well, then ask her for help.
但她刚才不准我们用 But she said we could not use it.
我来想办法修 I-I will fix it.
拉森 是我 Larsen, I am here.
潘托福 谢天谢地 Puntoffle. Thank God.
祖父在旁边 I am with the grandfather.
太好了 Excellent.
领导班底全员到齐 And with the entire ruling council.
他刚才宣布了双方正进行密谈 We have just informed them of our channel,
以及目前为止的进度 and what is to now transpire.
了解 大家的反应如何 Wow. Okay. And, uh... and...The news. How are they taking it?
我们就继续谈吧 Let's move on.
祖父自认英语欠佳 The grandfather's English is not as he wishes.
嘱咐我代为发言转达 Therefore, he asks that I speak for and to him.
我明白 I understand.
拉森 我要求你 And I ask that you, Larsen,
担任跟我对话的窗口 are the one I speak to.
我们认为共同起头的人 For here, what men begin together,
应该一起完事 men must finish together.
我去请希蒙过来 I'll get Shimon.
这次的作法完全不合外交惯例 It is a total breach of protocol.
假如您觉得不妥‥ If you are uneasy in any way--
我知道是很不妥 I understand. And it is.
不过我们得承认 But Johan Jorgen, I think we must acknowledge
事态老早就脱离外交惯例了 that now we are all very far beyond the bounds of protocol.
开工吧 Let us begin.
父亲重申对未来屯垦区的要求 The father repeats his demand regarding future settlements.
不行 No!
前提是纳入联合国 第２４２和３３８号决议案 Not unless UN Resolutions 242 and 338 are to be included in this document!
没门 No!
－好 －以色列与耶利哥市的正式界线 Official boundaries of all Israeli settlements abutting the city of Jericho
须经双方同意划定 must be set by both parties.
父亲请您转告祖父 The father says to tell the grandfather
小国在此议题上早已让步 the little country has already compromised on this issue.
待我转达‥祖父同意了 Let me pass that on. The grandfather says yes.
他能接受 Yes. He's, he's willing to accept that.
好‥谢谢你 Yes? All right. Good. Good. Thank you.
祖父说他要去睡觉了 the grandfather says he's going to bed.
等你改变心意后再打给他 Call him when-- when you change your mind.
我们同意由对方负责边境安管 We will accept that their forces be in charge of border security.
但检查哨都要由双方驻军 But our forces must have joint control of all checkpoints.
跟他说我们的检查哨要自己管 Tell him our checkpoints, our soldiers.
这一点绝不妥协 We will not cede this point.
告诉他 我们大可烧掉协议 Tell him we will burn this document
大家拼个你死我活 and wage war upon you until the last days of time!
但我们愿意接受可行的替代方案 But also that we are open to a counterproposal.
我们承认巴勒斯坦解放组织 We will accept that the Palestine Liberation Organization...
为巴勒斯坦人民的官方机构 is the official voice of the Palestinian people.
我们承认 We will accept...
以色列为合法国家 the legitimacy of the State of Israel.
耶路撒冷只可作为以色列的首都 Jerusalem will remain solely the capital of Israel.
－不同意 －这点没得谈 No! -Non-negotiable!
拉森‥我们不是在虚张声势 Larsen! Larsen! This is not the bluffing!
等一下 Wait.
基于建设性模糊的原则 In the name of constructive ambiguity,
我方同意 we will accept that
待日后谈判的最终阶段 in the final stage of further negotiations,
再讨论耶路撒冷事宜 the future of Jerusalem will be addressed.
我方接受此协议 We accept this document.
我们也同意 As do we.
阿布阿拉 Abu Ala...
那是什么声音 what is that sound?
大家都喜极而泣了 They are crying. All of them.
没人想到有生之年能见证这一天 They did not think they would live to see this day.
请听我说 巴勒斯坦人民 Let me say to you, the Palestinians,
我们注定生活在同一块土地上 we are destined to live together, on the same soil, in the same land.
我们是返家的战士 We, the soldiers who have returned from battles
浑身血迹 stained with blood;
在我们的家乡 we, who have come from a land
白发人要送黑发人 where parents bury their children;
身为跟你们对决的人 we, who have fought against you,
巴勒斯坦人啊 the Palestinians,
我们今天要清楚明白告诉你们 we say to you today, in a loud and a clear voice,
别再流血流泪了 enough of blood and tears.
到此为止 Enough.
奥斯陆密谈起初的目标 "The Oslo channel began with
是要开启敌对双方的对话 "the hopes of creating a dialogue between adversaries.
成效早已远远超乎预期 "Already, this process has succeeded beyond anything we imagined:
巴勒斯坦建立起了政府 "The establishment of a Palestinian state.
向以色列与约旦议和 "Movement towards a peace treaty between Israel and Jordan."
然而 可想而知 "And yet, undoubtedly,
自然也会有人反对和平历程 objection to this process is coming."
来到这里的人
都反对暴力 爱好和平
＂１９９５年１１月＂
＂特拉维夫举办游行声援协议＂
＂以国激进反动份子刺杀总理＂
＂拉宾不幸身亡＂
犯行罪大恶极 令人震惊 I am very shocked for this awful and terrible crime...
过世的以色列领导人极其果敢 against one of the brave leaders of Israel.
致力于和平 And a peacemaker.
＂２０００年７月＂
＂以巴于大卫营举办峰会＂
＂讨论所有未竟事项＂
＂包含耶路撒冷前景＂
＂与巴勒斯坦建国议题＂
＂但未能达成任何共识＂
＂２０００年９月＂
＂以国占领区再起冲突＂
＂第二次反抗运动就此揭幕＂
每逢有人致力消弭族群仇恨 "For the efforts of any peoples to bridge their hatreds
总会有部分人士顽强抵抗 "is always met by some with fierce resistance.
但无论铸下什么错误 "But whatever mistakes were made,
或意外引发哪些事件 "whatever unintended events have been unleashed,
我依旧认为奥斯陆密谈颇有建树 "I still believe this channel was worth doing.
假如我们无法与敌人面对面 "For if we do not sit across from our enemies,
聆听对方的声音 "and hear them,
明白对方也是人类 "and see them as human beings,
我们还算得上什么 what will become of us?"
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